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Forum Post: RE: pH measurement with TI's INA116

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Dear mister Pete Samig and mister Bruce Trump,

Thank you for your answers, this clears up a lot of things. Unfortunately I cannot easily use another connector than BNC because the pH electrode already has a coax cable with a BNC connector attached. As an addition, I plan to use some other electrodes including an industrial ORP probe to measure the redox potential. This one has a lower internal resistance than the pH probe, and is able to produce voltages from -2000 to 2000 mV (according to the datasheet). It has a S8 head, but I already have a proper S8-to-BNC adapter cable ready. The specs for the two electrodes can be found here:

pH: Hanna Instruments HI 1230B
http://www.hannainst.com/usa/prods2.cfm?id=030&ProdCode=HI%201230B

ORP: Hamilton Oxytrode Pt 120
http://www.hamiltoncompany.com/products/sensors/c/764/


While accidentally shorting the BNC shield with the ground may not damage the opamp itself, it can easily damage the reference/pseudoground circuitry. This is why I originally wanted to include a resistor (i.e. 10 MOhm) between the reference/vground terminal and the opamp negative input. My electrodes offer only two connections, so there does not seem to be any grounding. The ORP is an industrial probe, but the pH probe was from a handheld pH meter (HI 83141), which was battery-powered.

I currently only have a +12VDC 2Amp single supply from a mains switching adapter. The reason I decided to use it was due to simplicity, however, switching to a bipolar supply would likely require me to invest into a custom power supply circuitry. I will also need the 12VDC to power a bipolar stepper motor for a peristaltic dosing pump. There's also a microcontroller that will drive the motor, and read/send the measurements to a PC. I will consider having separate power supplies for analog/motor/digital parts.
 
P.S. would the circuit above still work, if I disconnect the +6VDC reference/vground terminal from the opamp input?

Kind regards!


Forum Post: RE: INA117KU ratings

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Pete,

Thanks for your reply.  I am attaching one part of the circuit that involves INA117KU setup as current sensor.  The FETs are being switched at 100kHz. The motor drive voltage is +/-32V.

One of the things that I should also mention is we did very simple experiment with INA117 on the desk being powered up with +/-12V and found that signal polarity that produces a negative output at pin 6 works past 10 and even past 11 V.  However, on a positive signal, the output is saturating and starts folding back at around 9.4 V input.  When the input is 10.5 V, the output is down to 8.67 V. Unity gain.

This is the reason I am mentioning CM with +/-12V bus.

Peter V.

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Forum Post: RE: TLC2652 layout instruction

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No problem...glad to help.  If you want some more detail including some guidelines for selecting the feedback cap, take a look here:

http://www.k-state.edu/ksuedl/publications.htm

Technotes 7 and 9 have good info.  Pease actually gave me some feedback on #9 before I posted it (see footnote 8).

If you don't mind, mark this as solved if it answered your question.

Tim

Forum Post: RE: AMC1100 / VINP ,VINN to GND1 voltage

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Hello Ryuji Asaka,

The answers to both of your questions depend on where the supplies are connected.

Below is an image where the same power supply is connected to two AMC1200 (the situation would be similar if one substituted the AMC1100 instead of the AMC1200 units shown). For U3, VINN = 0 V with respect to GND1 and VINP is whatever voltage drop occurs on R2.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Jose

Forum Post: RE: PGA280 / Input Overvoltage (IOVerr)

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Hello Sonoki-san,

To prevent triggering IOVerr, ensure that the input voltage remains between (VSN + 2.5V) and (VSP - 2.5V). IOVerr is not a clamp, only an error flag. However, the PGA280 input pins do have internal diodes connected to VSP and VSN which activate when the input signal exceeds VSP or VSN.

Best regards,

Ian Williams
Linear Applications Engineer
Precision Analog - Op Amps

Forum Post: 36v 1a spi programmed power supply

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TIPD138 - Test board for SPI programmable 16-bit, 36V, 1A Power Supply with Integrated Current Shunt - i am gone through the above paper provided by the ti design.i have some doubts regarding the input power supply.please help

on it the input power is positive and negative 40V .how can i get this power supply and what is the current rating of it?

can i increase the power rating to 10A using the same components and reducing the current limit resistor in opa549?

Forum Post: RE: pH measurement with TI's INA116

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Marko,

If you do not use a bipolar power supply the 6V power supply is required to properly bias your circuitry.

The additional resistor you propose seems like a good idea. This will protect the 6V power supply if it could be damaged by a short-circuit. This resistor may not provide significant protection for the probes. A 10M resistor is nearly as bad as a short circuit to a probe that has greater than 100M effective series resistance.

So, once again, it is important to assure that the measured liquid does not acquire another stray current path to ground. Fluids that are flowing through your pump, for example, may be at ground potential and this could create an invalid reading or damage the probes.

Regards--  Bruce

Forum Post: RE: OPA4379 introducing extra harmonic into feedback loop

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I'll go out on a limb and make a guess...

I'm a little puzzled as to why one part oscillates and another doesn't, but looking at your circuit I would be concerned with the large resistor values interacting with the input capacitance of the amplifier.  Ignoring the differential mode input cap, 1 MEG feedback with 6 pF CM input cap yields a zero at ~26kHz.  This may be enough to reduce the phase margin at the intersection of the noise gain and open loop gain curves to where you have ringing or oscillation.  

Try either shorting the feedback resistors R515 and R528 or cutting all of the resistor values by a factor of 10 and see if the problem goes away. 

Nice report btw.

Best of luck.

Tim


Forum Post: RE: LM6084 opamp stability with very high source resistor

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Hi Bill,

With capacitance that high, it will be unstable. You should put a few hundred ohms in series with the input to isolate the 90nF from the non-inverting node (the feedback cap goes to the input directly, tho). Start with about 100 ohms.

Even with a 2K Ron - you should still use a separate series resistor because the mux/switch can have parasitic capacitances that are not "behind" the R_on resistance.

Regards,

Forum Post: RE: why pga309evm can not work after calibration with real sensor?

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Hi Yao,

This is the proper configuration for RT- mode from the PGA309 User's Guide :

Based on this configuration, you should use the following settings in the "Config Temp ADC" window:

  • Resolution without sign: 15b
  • Temp ADC External Reference Select: Vexc
  • Select Signal Source: External
  • Dif Input: TEMPin, GNDa
  • Internal Temp ADC Ref: Not checked
  • ADC Pre Gain: 8 V/V
  • Enable I_temp: Not checked
  • Continuous Conversion: Checked
  • Single Shot Conversion: Checked
  • Enable Turbo: Unchecked

You do not have to put the PGA309EVM in the oven if you use the diode mode to test temperature. You can use the Sensor Emulator portion of the EVM to generate a voltage which corresponds to a diode voltage at a given temperature. 

Click the "Run Sensor Emulator" button as shown on the software block diagram to open the sensor emulator window. Then, drag the temperature slider to generate a diode voltage over temperature.

Best regards,

Ian Williams

Forum Post: RE: Cascade active filter design

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Tim,

I agree that the design you described is a nice accedemic dicussion, not practical.

You mention the limitations of Sallen-key filters are you are correct. I have attached an article that does address this issue.

 

Forum Post: RE: INA117KU ratings

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Hello Peter,

Thanks for the reply and schematic.

Please be aware that at 100kHz, the common-mode rejection ratio (CMRR) is just 50dB. So, when you refer to 'failure', do you mean complete functional failure? Or, does 'failure' mean that you don't think it's operating within specification?

I would probe the inputs of the INA to fully understand the signals that it is subjected to. I suspect that they are very large transients and may be much larger than you think due to the inductor. If so, I recommend protecting the INA with TVS diodes (differential and common-mode).

Concerning your bench test, did you use a damaged or known good device?

Forum Post: AMC1100 / detail of block diagram and resolution

Forum Post: RE: the circuit of pulse generation using TLV3501 and OPA357

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Hi John,

I would like to ask shutdown function of TLV3501

As I have mentioned, Samsung is using TLV3501 to make PWM pulses that put into high side and low side of Gate Driver(LM5113).

Under test the board, they found the problem.

The schematic is below. U gate is for High side and L gate is for Low side. As you know, 6.78MHz triangular waveform put into each input pin. (U gate:(+) input - non inverting comparator, L gate:(-) input - onverting comparator)

To test the board, they connected input pin to Ground. For your convenience, I attached the circuit configured by Tina.

For U gate circuit that is non inverting comparator, since reference voltage is always bigger than input signal, the output have to be "Low" in case of that shutdown pin is "Low' (device active state). - Note that input pin is connected to Ground for test.

However, when shutdown pin is going from "high" to "low", a pulse occured at output. (shutdown pin is connected to 3.3V and then is connected to ground) 

After 3.3V of VCC and reference voltage were connected to device, shutdown function was performed.

I think that the pulse seem to occur at the level between VH and VL. Otherwise, is there any unvaild time that normal operation is not guaranteed.

Could you explain why this pulse occur?

Thank you.

 

Best regards,

Sammy Jeon.

 

 

Forum Post: RE: OPA4379 introducing extra harmonic into feedback loop

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I went back and looked at your original document and the mystery to me is why R515 doesn't seem to play a role.  True, dual opamps are not necessarily matched in specifications, but are the loads different on U503A and U503B?  Another possibility is that there is something in the layout of the circuit that is resulting in a higher parasitic capacitance on pin 6 than on pin 2.  You might take a look at the comment regarding removal of the ground plane under the inverting node under:

http://e2e.ti.com/support/amplifiers/precision_amplifiers/f/14/t/364481.aspx

Tim


Forum Post: RE: XTR111 IS pin voltage

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Hello Yamauchi-san,

There is a current sensing element between the supply and the IS pin.  As current flow increases, the voltage drop across this circuitry increases as shown in FIgure 17.  Therefore because the customer reported 6.3V on the IS pin, this indicates that a large amount of current is flowing out of the IS pin to somewhere in their system.  Measuring the current will prove whether or not this is occuring. 

Forum Post: AFE031 No DAC Output

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Hello,

I am trying to configure the AFE031 to output a signal. I believe that my SPI bus is correctly configured because I am able to write to a configuration register and then perform a read which returns the correctly written value. However, when I then put the DAC line high and try to write values into the DAC register, I get no output on the DAC output.

I am configuring the AFE031 as shown below:

// Reset AFE031
spi_xmit(0x0914);
for(i = 0; i < 100000; i++) {}

// Enable PA, TX, DAC
spi_xmit(0x0123);
for (i = 0; i < 100000; i++) {}

// Enable REF1, REF2, PA_OUT
spi_xmit(0x030E);
for (i = 0; i < 100000; i++) {}


Shown below is a scope capture of SPI traffic trying to update the DAC register.


The output of PA shows no signal. The only curious thing I can find is that the I_FLAG bit of the RESET register always appears to be set, even after I reset the device and write a zero to that bit which should clear it. I have the I_FLAG_EN bit disabled in the Control2 register so I_FLAG should never get set in the first place.


Is there something I am missing in the configuration of the AFE031?

Forum Post: RE: INA117KU ratings

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Hello Peter,

The output range of the INA117 is +/-9V (typical) or +/-7V (minimum) given +/-12V supplies. These were obtained by looking at the output swing limits given +/-15V supplies from the data sheet table.

In addition, please be careful with how you apply your input signal for your bench test. For example, if you're grounding pin 2 and applying a signal to pin 3 (+In) the output will likely not be what you expect because you don't have the transfer function you think you do. Please see the attached TINA-TI files. TINA-TI can be downloaded from www.ti.com/tina-ti.

Forum Post: RE: AMC1100 / detail of block diagram and resolution

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Hello Ryuji Asaka,

As you indicated in your forum post, the block diagram in the forum post below corresponds to the AMC1100.

http://e2e.ti.com/support/amplifiers/precision_amplifiers/f/14/t/330584.aspx

The AMC1100 has a delta-sigma modulator whose theory of operation is very similar to that of the AMC1204; however, we cannot provide any specific performance metrics other than those described in the AMC1100 (which takes into account the performance of both the delta-sigma modulator and the recovery circuitry).

Hope this helps.

Best regards,

Jose

Forum Post: RE: AMC1100 / VINP ,VINN to GND1 voltage

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Hello Ryuji Asaka,

Please bear in mind that applying an input differential voltage (VINP – VINN) greater than +/- 320 mV will cause the output signal to clip as shown in figure 14 of the AMC1100 datasheet.

Since the CMRR of the AMC1100 is typically 95 dB or more, I do not see any improvement in biasing VINN.

Perhaps I am not understanding your second question correctly. One certainly could use an instrumentation amplifier and voltage reference to raise the common mode of the input signal to the AMC1100 but it will not provide any performance improvement.

Best regards,

Jose

 

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